Comments for cemops.com Blog http://cemops.com/blog Insuring the last ones to let you down, don't! Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:26:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 Comment on My Personal Green Burial Dislikes by goodfuneralguide http://cemops.com/blog/2010/03/27/my-personal-green-burial-dislikes/comment-page-1/#comment-8 goodfuneralguide Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:26:18 +0000 http://cemops.com/blog/?p=72#comment-8 Well, I came across this today: 'there may be environmentally friendly funeral homes offering to embalm with substances such as iodine, salt or plant extracts for a formaldehyde free fluid.' Beats me how it's done -- or who's using it!! See: http://funeralideas.com/2010/03/burial-green/ You have raised some very interesting points, and I have referenced this post at my own blog in the UK: http://www.goodfuneralguide.co.uk/2010/03/sense-and-sustainability.html Do, please, leave a comment if you wish. Charles Well, I came across this today: ‘there may be environmentally friendly funeral homes offering to embalm with substances such as iodine, salt or plant extracts for a formaldehyde free fluid.’ Beats me how it’s done — or who’s using it!! See: http://funeralideas.com/2010/03/burial-green/

You have raised some very interesting points, and I have referenced this post at my own blog in the UK: http://www.goodfuneralguide.co.uk/2010/03/sense-and-sustainability.html

Do, please, leave a comment if you wish.

Charles

]]> Comment on Problems and State Audit Issues by Administrator http://cemops.com/blog/2010/03/07/problems-and-state-audit-issues/comment-page-1/#comment-7 Administrator Sun, 28 Mar 2010 02:48:54 +0000 http://cemops.com/blog/?p=64#comment-7 Thank you Carol for the comment. Obviously, we are all from different places and your points are well taken. The crushing of the body is a personal issue, I would not like that for my loved ones. Another thought, which is heavily debated, is the possibility of ground water contamination, and with the body being crushed wouldn't this expedite the process? In the many studies I have read, certain biological mechanisms can be harmful decades later. The World Health Organization covers this extensively in their research, and where I do believe it to be a stretch at times, it is hard to discount them completely. Especially where well water is the only source, untreated. I have researched the green embalming fluids, and this is considered a figment of an embalmers imagination. He is actually selling this to the public in his town in Kentucky. I guess every end of the industry has its' dishonest types. Why not green burials too? I am also familiar with the Jewish traditions of burial which are not unlike Muslim burials. The Jewish use a pine casket, and the Muslims use ceremonial cloth wrapped around the body. One part of my concern that you did not address: With little or no revenue streams available to insure the longevity of the cemetery, what happens when nobody can be buried there any longer because the cemetery goes broke? How are the families assured this will be an active place of burial 50 to 100 years from now? And as a cemeterian, one possible concern is: What if for some presently unforseen reason, the bodies have to be relocated down the road? You may believe this to be out of the question or completely out there, but I have moved many a burial in the way of progress. No vault or casket, and the dig becomes extremely labor intensive and costly due the sheer time it will take to locate and remove the remains in the soil. And exposures to reoxygenated pathogens has to be considered at that point. I enjoyed your comment. Again, thank you for the different point of view. Thank you Carol for the comment. Obviously, we are all from different places and your points are well taken. The crushing of the body is a personal issue, I would not like that for my loved ones. Another thought, which is heavily debated, is the possibility of ground water contamination, and with the body being crushed wouldn’t this expedite the process? In the many studies I have read, certain biological mechanisms can be harmful decades later. The World Health Organization covers this extensively in their research, and where I do believe it to be a stretch at times, it is hard to discount them completely. Especially where well water is the only source, untreated. I have researched the green embalming fluids, and this is considered a figment of an embalmers imagination. He is actually selling this to the public in his town in Kentucky. I guess every end of the industry has its’ dishonest types. Why not green burials too? I am also familiar with the Jewish traditions of burial which are not unlike Muslim burials. The Jewish use a pine casket, and the Muslims use ceremonial cloth wrapped around the body. One part of my concern that you did not address: With little or no revenue streams available to insure the longevity of the cemetery, what happens when nobody can be buried there any longer because the cemetery goes broke? How are the families assured this will be an active place of burial 50 to 100 years from now? And as a cemeterian, one possible concern is: What if for some presently unforseen reason, the bodies have to be relocated down the road? You may believe this to be out of the question or completely out there, but I have moved many a burial in the way of progress. No vault or casket, and the dig becomes extremely labor intensive and costly due the sheer time it will take to locate and remove the remains in the soil. And exposures to reoxygenated pathogens has to be considered at that point.
I enjoyed your comment. Again, thank you for the different point of view.

]]> Comment on Problems and State Audit Issues by carolmotley http://cemops.com/blog/2010/03/07/problems-and-state-audit-issues/comment-page-1/#comment-6 carolmotley Sun, 28 Mar 2010 01:42:54 +0000 http://cemops.com/blog/?p=64#comment-6 I have become a cheerleader for natural burials and refuse to refer to them as 'green burials'. To me, this really does denote a fad -but as I explain to everyone, a natural burial isn't something I made up, it's been the number one method of disposal for thousands and thousands of years. Out of all the absurd questions I am constantly asked, I finally have to say -Look, this is Orthodox Jewish Law fora burial -ashes to ashes, dust to dust, earth to earth. If there was something really bad wrong with it, or a big problem with it, don't you think the Jewish people would have figured out by now another way to do it? They are an efficient group of folks -they don't seem to have a complaint what so ever since it's so widely practiced. As for the dirt crushing the body, hmmm -sounds like a stretch for a real problem, but to you it is. For me, the amount of steel and concrete we are loading into our earth is hideous and downright wrong as well as the amount of gas used to mow around the dang monuments. Most natural burial places have GPS (we do in Asheville, NC) set up. It's a fact that three generations later, very few people are coming to your grave -it's actually a bit of the ole Ozymandias (Shelley) attitude. Most of the folks I have buried in the natural burial grounds have been earthy types, frugal minded or religious inspired to follow through with a natural burial. It loosens the common restraints since it is a wooded area and reminds everyone that the cycle of life is all to common, everywhere we look. We have had Mariachi bands, harp players and ipods blasting Bob Marley. We have buried plain pine boxes, painted cardboard boxes and gorgeous shrouds hand sewn by a co-op of ladies laid off from Victoria's Secret. Like organic food in the late eighties, it might seem faddish -but like organic food now, it will become more and more common. I too doubt the 'green' embalming fluid. And as for the mowing, we hire goats twice a year to eat up all the kudzu and poison oak in the natural burial grounds! ncnaturalburial.com I have become a cheerleader for natural burials and refuse to refer to them as ‘green burials’. To me, this really does denote a fad -but as I explain to everyone, a natural burial isn’t something I made up, it’s been the number one method of disposal for thousands and thousands of years. Out of all the absurd questions I am constantly asked, I finally have to say -Look, this is Orthodox Jewish Law fora burial -ashes to ashes, dust to dust, earth to earth. If there was something really bad wrong with it, or a big problem with it, don’t you think the Jewish people would have figured out by now another way to do it? They are an efficient group of folks -they don’t seem to have a complaint what so ever since it’s so widely practiced.
As for the dirt crushing the body, hmmm -sounds like a stretch for a real problem, but to you it is. For me, the amount of steel and concrete we are loading into our earth is hideous and downright wrong as well as the amount of gas used to mow around the dang monuments. Most natural burial places have GPS (we do in Asheville, NC) set up. It’s a fact that three generations later, very few people are coming to your grave -it’s actually a bit of the ole Ozymandias (Shelley) attitude. Most of the folks I have buried in the natural burial grounds have been earthy types, frugal minded or religious inspired to follow through with a natural burial. It loosens the common restraints since it is a wooded area and reminds everyone that the cycle of life is all to common, everywhere we look. We have had Mariachi bands, harp players and ipods blasting Bob Marley. We have buried plain pine boxes, painted cardboard boxes and gorgeous shrouds hand sewn by a co-op of ladies laid off from Victoria’s Secret. Like organic food in the late eighties, it might seem faddish -but like organic food now, it will become more and more common.
I too doubt the ‘green’ embalming fluid.
And as for the mowing, we hire goats twice a year to eat up all the kudzu and poison oak in the natural burial grounds!
ncnaturalburial.com

]]> Comment on Funeral and Cemetery Employee Theft and Fraud Does Happen by Bibelheimer . Info » cemops.com Blog » Funeral and Cemetery Employee Theft and Fraud … http://cemops.com/blog/2010/02/05/funeral-and-cemetery-employee-theft-and-fraud-does-happen/comment-page-1/#comment-5 Bibelheimer . Info » cemops.com Blog » Funeral and Cemetery Employee Theft and Fraud … Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:47:31 +0000 http://cemops.com/blog/?p=49#comment-5 [...] Link: cemops.com Blog » Funeral and Cemetery Employee Theft and Fraud … [...] [...] Link: cemops.com Blog » Funeral and Cemetery Employee Theft and Fraud … [...]

]]> Comment on If This Doesn’t Make You Mad, You’re In The Wrong Profession! by yourfuneralguy http://cemops.com/blog/2010/01/29/if-this-doesnt-make-you-mad-youre-in-the-wrong-profession/comment-page-1/#comment-4 yourfuneralguy Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:02:35 +0000 http://cemops.com/blog/?p=46#comment-4 In the case of Burr Oak Cemetery, it comes down to one Company Perpetua Inc and one person, individual- a 2003 manager named Silvy Cotton According to the news report mentioned here. The Illinois regulator Comptroller Hynes also was was of a Burr Oak problem grave desecration problem ! Illinois regulator "Dan Hynes knew" about the grave desecration in 03 and it is big politics in Illinois. Hynes is running for governor. Hynes only regulated the money, but because he knew of desecration he should have turned the matter over over to Law enforcement. In E_Mails to me Silvy Cotton, threatened legal action against me for bringing out her involvement by blog post in the Burr Oak Horror. http://yourfuneralguy.wordpress.com/2010/01/30/newshynes-knew-about-burr-oak-grave-desecration-silvy-cotton-in-2003your-funeral-guy/ In the case of Burr Oak Cemetery, it comes down to one Company Perpetua Inc and one person, individual- a 2003 manager named Silvy Cotton According to the news report mentioned here. The Illinois regulator Comptroller Hynes also was was of a Burr Oak problem grave desecration problem !

Illinois regulator “Dan Hynes knew” about the grave desecration in 03 and it is big politics in Illinois. Hynes is running for governor. Hynes only regulated the money, but because he knew of desecration he should have turned the matter over over to Law enforcement.

In E_Mails to me Silvy Cotton, threatened legal action against me for bringing out her involvement by blog post in the Burr Oak Horror.

http://yourfuneralguy.wordpress.com/2010/01/30/newshynes-knew-about-burr-oak-grave-desecration-silvy-cotton-in-2003your-funeral-guy/

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